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You know what? I'm going to write about the war after all. I'm not hugely interested in sharing my personal opinions about it at this point, but since it will shine through, I'll just say that I'm more against than for, but I don't feel that I'm in either camp absolutely. And for the freaking morons (Bill O'Reilly) who can't tell the difference, that doesn't mean I'm not in support of the troops or that I'm not rooting for my country. Now that's out of my system, I'll refrain from personal insults as well. ;) And for the purpose of this entry, I'm not going to question the arguments for and against. That part of the war, in my opinion, is over. You don't have a chance in hell of getting someone to change their minds now, whichever side they're on.

The problem is not that (in most cases) there are two sides disagreeing on the war. There are two sides arguing over what the question is. My best friend from college is hugely pro-war--she's married to a Marine. I, on the other hand, feel more than halfway at home in an European country. Even my real-life friends, other than her, are not from here. So we're coming at this from two completely different directions. I think the tendency in the military is to look purposefully at what is best for the US. I, on the other hand, look at this in terms of what's good for the world. Neither of those things is bad, but very very different. The main goal of this war is presumably to protect ourselves from that crazy bad guy, who might want to use his illegal weapons to attack us, or sell them to terrorists who will. It is not, as much of a bonus as it is, to protect the Iraqi people from a dictator. And ridding the world of Hussein is good for the world. The next major terrorist attack might not even BE in the US. We're not the only people to ever piss someone off, you know. In a general sense, what's good for the US is good for the world, if indirectly. At the same time, what's good for the rest of the world is also good for the US. The proportions are just quite different.

Other things I've been dying to say about the war debate:
  • This is not a war about freedom. I'm getting mightily sick of the people saying that our troops are fighting so that every American has the freedom to voice their opinion, even if that opinion is asinine. America has already fought a war for freedom, and this ain't it. And while I'm at it, remember who helped us win it? Hmm.. could it be the people being bashed in the media--the French? This war is about a lot of things, but freedom isn't one of them. And leave the French alone.. it makes you like a petulant child.
  • What are the people still staging peace rallies hoping to accomplish? I agree with the sentiments, but really, do they think that someone is going to say, "My God, man! Some people don't agree with us! Maybe we should just pack up and go home!"? The time for protests was before the war. Now.. well, it's a cute idea, and approximately as effective as writing your Congressman. Oh, wait, that doesn't work, either. Hmmm..
  • If you're going to have an opinion, have your OWN opinion. I can respect that even if I disagree with everything you say. I don't, however, care too much to talk to people about the opinions of their friend/brother/cousin/son-in-law/spouse/alien kidnapper/sister/president. Come up with your own and then call me back.
  • This whole thing is not black and white. You can agree with parts of one side and parts of the other. You will not implode from the strain of this, I promise.
  • Hussein is not Hitler. This is not World War II. Nor is it Vietnam. It's not even Desert Storm. Enough with the parallels already.
  • And finally, the only thing people who say things to the effect of "If you don't like the way things are done in America, then why not move to Iraq or France and live with them?" accomplish is proving irrefutably that they don't have the faintest idea what they're talking about. Try calling up France to say that you don't much like what's going on and want to move there for no good reason. See what they say. I would advise you not to sell the farm before you have a permission slip signed, though.

Date: 2003-03-24 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] totte.livejournal.com
"Come up with your own and then call me back."

With all the flab in the debate about this, I don't think anything so far has made me laugh out loud before. Some days it's just extra easy to see why I married you. Love you!

Date: 2003-03-24 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
Awww.. Thank you, sweetie! Glad I could make you laugh, too! <3

Date: 2003-03-24 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denyeverything.livejournal.com
I think the reason I still go to the protests is because what other way can I get with people who feel as strongly against this as I do and still get the point across? That's pretty much it. And now a lot of the protests here are being broken up by cops before we even start them, but they are allowing us to hold our candlelight vigils (without *too* much aggravation). After the war, we knew our protests weren't going to stop it; it was just our way of showing we didn't agree and we weren't going to sit back and suddenly show support just because the war had started. It's kind of like people posting on church bulletin boards "Bring our troops home safely", knowing full well they're going out there and getting killed and not all are going to come home safely. Now, I do have a problem with ignorant protesters who think they're getting any kind of point across by inciting violence. Bah to them!

Oh brother... now I've forgotten what else I was going to say. *thinks* Oh yes... I think you had some super good points in this post! You touched on things I've been having to argue with pro-war people about since before the war started (the whole freedom thing is the MAIN one). And I agree - if you're going to give an opinion, give your OWN opinion. There is nothing worse than someone saying something and not being able to tell you why they feel that way. *huggles*

Date: 2003-03-24 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
Hehe, I knew you went to one but I didn't know you were still going, or I wouldn't have phrased it quite that way. But it seems you know what I meant without taking offense at the way I said it, so that's good. :) I understand what you mean about getting together with people who feel the same way. I just don't think that I personally would have the energy for something like that, knowing good and well that it's not going to help. Of course, people do things that I think are a waste of energy (golf, for instance) all the time. :) And, of course, the only real concern I have with it is the tendency/potential to turn violent.. otherwise, just not something I would do. I think the people calling it treason are equally idiotic. Idiocy is, in general, the problem I have with this war.. *grin*

I feel somewhat better now that I've gotten all that out of my head, and I was kinda happy with how it turned out. I spent a long time writing a mail to the friend I mentioned, outlining various things about why I disagree with her ideas on the war.. but then I decided to not send it because I didn't really want to argue with her. I sent her the link to this instead, which is worth reading if you haven't. :) Summed up my extremely long mail in a more humorous way, without worrying about it getting mean.

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Date: 2003-03-24 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denyeverything.livejournal.com
Oh, I didn't get offended at all. I know all the protesting in the world isn't going to stop the war at this point, but it makes me feel better than sitting at home going, "Gee, this sucks", hehe. I figure if I'm going to bitch about it, I may as well get off my butt and do something. It does take a lot of energy though, and it does get emotionally draining after a while.

Now, off to check out the link! :D

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