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M laughs at me sometimes and calls me obsessive-compulsive, which is probably offensive to people who actually are obsessive-compulsive. He has always found it fascinating how often I wash my hands, or rather, when I wash my hands. "There's a name for people like you," he said on one particularly memorable occasion. (Note to Singles Out There: This is what Being Married is like. You can't even wash your hands in peace.*) When I come into the house, my hands feel nasty dirty and they have to be washed before I can do anything else. It doesn't matter what I'm going to do.. if I was going to repot all my plants plant, I would wash my hands first. I don't know why. Interestingly, I don't feel that way if I get in the car and drive somewhere else, usually, so it's not just about touching the steering wheel, although I do suffer a few pangs over that sometimes. (He also criticizes the fact that I use cold water to wash my hands. I used to defend it that I didn't like waiting for the water to heat up or the chance of scalding myself was worse than cold hands in winter, but it has occured to me recently that I LIKE washing my hands in cold water, except perhaps when I'm cooking, now that I think about it.)

There was a point to this, I promise. I was just thinking about germs, and I thought I should tell you that I am oddly germaphobic. I don't really obsess about germs lurking in a pile of dirty dishes (I hate them for other reasons but not enough to do them myself, apparently) or even under the toilet seat at home. No, I worry about the invisibles that you touch all day long in weird places, like public restrooms (not a weird one, I know) and keyboards and desks. So, what I was wondering is.. what kind of oddities do you people have about germs? Is there anything that you are totally resistant to touching for fear of germs? Will you throw food away if it falls on the table (I always do in public, sometimes at home too.) Do you freak out at people who eat their breakfast sandwiches directly on the kitchen table? (That totally freaks me out, enough so that M actually has stopped even when I'm not around. Except at his parents' house, which I found humorous since he hadn't even noticed that he had done it. You can't teach an old dog new tricks entirely, I guess.) Do you let your silverware touch the table? Do you regularly clean something to ward off germs? Or are you the opposite--do you really not care if your butt touches a public restroom toilet seat? (I cringe just thinking about it.) Do you use those air dryers with wild abandon? Do you lay a strirring spoon on top of a box that food came in while you cook? Tell me!

And since I am inviting you to talk about your neurotic tendencies or lack thereof, I'll start with my own two favorite germ issues.

I will not put a lemon in my tea in a restaraunt and I've been known to ask for my tea without a lemon, even though I don't dislike it. Here's the thing. No one washes lemons. Take this from the produce girl, alright? It was while I still worked at the store that I developed this phobia. Refrigerator space was always at a premium, so, to save space, I started putting our extra lemons in the crisper. On one particular day, the box turned over while I was kneeling there in the floor. I didn't even think about it, just grabbed them all from the floor and put them on in the crisper. From there, they were taken out front and sold, and.. well, have you ever washed a lemon? And that doesn't even count what happened when they were picked (hey, did the handlers stop to take a potty break without washing their hands?) So. Yes, wash your fruits and vegetables, but I just don't trust that all people think of lemons as something that need washed.

In a public bathroom, I unroll enough toilet paper to cover at least one round and set it aside before unrolling some for personal use. This is also a recent one. Do you ever touch the top of the roll for leverage while you tear off a piece, to keep it from unrolling? Because I have done that, particularly if the roll is touchy, and it occured to me that others probably do too, and the piece on there when you walk in? That was the last piece they touched when they were finished wiping. Yuck.

It has occured to me that this is the last thing in the world I should be asking. M will whop me when he gets home for attempting to expand my germ phobias.

*Obviously I'm kidding. I like being married more than anyone I've ever met. Because I don't like cheesecake, and M doesn't care much for American desserts at all so we're perfectly suited, and that's a joke that only two of you will get. Sorry.

Date: 2005-09-28 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carrieb.livejournal.com
I am not really very germ-phobic. I don't like dealing with raw chicken and am very careful with my utensils when I do deal with raw chicken (which is often, since chicken seems to be my main meat). I prefer to use a cover thing on public toilets, but am not obsessive over it. I think there are a whole lot less germs being passed around from butt to butt than from other areas of the bathroom. I do the whole "get a paper towel ready, turn on the sink, dry my hands, use the paper towel to turn off the sink, then use it to open the door" thing.

I do NOT like touch public pens/pencils/stuff. I also really dislike touching things that kids touch or having kids touch my things. I can't stand it when I have a line of kids and they are all running their hands along the wall. Can't. Stand. It. I always tell them that they are going to get old boogers on their hands.

I always want to de-germify after using a public computer or other public thing. Well, basically whenever I get home I like to wash my hands.

I am a fanatic about not eating or drinking after anyone. It grosses me out to no end. I got mono when I was a teenager from drinking after a person. In college a lot of people would eat after other people and it just grossed me out and all my friends knew they were NOT to stick their utenils anywhere near my food. One day we were sitting with a girl I didn't like at all and she reached over with her DIRTY SPOON and took a bite of my pudding! I was stunned. Everyone else at the table was stunned. They were just waiting for me to go off. .. . and I did. I mean really, how rude is that? Espescially to do it to someone you aren't even friends with?

Wow. This is a long reply.

Btw, I was going to send you an e-mail to tell you that you had a great idea about the graphic thing and if I could figure out how to make the graphic look like I wanted to I would do as you suggested, but I am being too much of a perfectionist so I may just go with the name with stars between it like "S*t*e*t*s*o*n C*o*l*t" My mom woul dlove that name. I swear she thinks we are having a cowboy instead of a geekboy. Also, we got the package today!!!! It was so fun to open! We haven't hardly bought any toys at all, so it was PERFECT. Now we have something for Thumper to chew on *g*. Thank you guys!

Date: 2005-09-29 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
This might actually have been the longest LJ comment I've ever had!

Regarding food.. does Mike count? Can you eat and drink after him? Just curious. I'm the same way about eating and drinking after someone.. always have been. Gross! But I figure that since I kiss him I might as well eat after him. (But he can't go near my toothbrush because that's just nasty. Not entirely sure what the difference is, actually.)

I'm glad you got the package! That was really fast, too.. I just ordered it Sunday afternoon, I think. I wanted to send something else, but.. well, I'll post about that in a minute with a really bad picture.

Date: 2005-09-29 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carrieb.livejournal.com
I will eat and drink after him, but not off the same utensil. And I prefer to eat bits he hasn't touched, if you know what I mean. But yeah, I figure it is like kissig. Sharing a toothbrush is way, way, way out!

Date: 2005-09-29 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] marketeer
(Note to Singles Out There: This is what Being Married is like. You can't even wash your hands in peace.*)

I know you're kidding, but some days that is just SO true.

Date: 2005-09-30 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
*grin* Very true.

Date: 2005-09-29 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stephbairey.livejournal.com
You folks keep posting things I am currently thinking about.. LJ is psychic. :)

Germs that would affect me don't bother me at all. I *do* sit smack down on public toilets. :) I tend to think my body can handle the germs better if I don't protect it from them. Where I go OCD is in germs affecting my animals or plants. If I pet a cat, I wash my hands before petting a dog. If I stick my finger in dirt to see if a plant needs watering, I wash my hands before doing it to another. With soap. I don't want problems one (potentially) has to spread to another. Consequently, I wash my hands about 20 times a day. Every animal has its own implements (duplicate cleaning equipment for each aquarium, one nail clipper per cat, etc) and I have spray bottles of bleach and vinegar (not mixed, that is) which are used on counters and fabrics all the time.

Since I am in my house 95% of the time, I am in a pretty safe place because of the cleanliness I do for the animals/plants. You'd think I would have a Thing about being in public, but in looking over my actions, I apparently don't.

I did get laughed at the the other day.. I collect fresh eggs each morning and bring them in to wash them before giving them out to dogs. Pete laughed because while I was in washing, the dogs were outside licking up fresh chicken poop. Ewww. Well, I can only protect them from so much. :)

Date: 2005-09-30 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
Eww, yuck, regarding the egg-washing poop-licking ancedote. You really can't protect against all germs, can ya? ;)

Date: 2005-09-30 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stephbairey.livejournal.com
Nope.. Pete will ask occasionally, "shouldn't we think of some way to stop them from doing XYZ?" And I had to learn to say, "no, if they're that dumb they take their chances." I can't watch 24/7. I guess an example would be.. well, the dogs all eat grass. They GRAZE in the mornings. And their favorite spots are always in these vertical areas where I've seen the males pee in the last 24 hours. I'm assuming the salt or something is appetizing. I'm not going to micromanage THAT. :) Most things, yeah, but.. hey, you enjoy chicken poop? Knock yourself out. Though, I do minimize it.. they're only let out into the chicken jungle once a day, when I collect eggs.

Most boring reply ever. :)

Date: 2005-09-29 05:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patsyterrell.livejournal.com
Never use those air dryers - they're pulling dirty air from the floor. Disgusting. I use the towel to open the door, or barring that my shirttail or if I have to I use a pinky finger and pull it at a place on teh handle where others aren't likely to touch.

I wash my hands many times a day - certainly after being out.

I HATE shopping carts. Yuck yuck yuck. Do you know how many people have touched those handles!?!?!? And people let their babies chew on them, which is disgusting for the baby and also makes it more covered with germs.

When I am in public, I never touch my eyes, mouth, etc. without washing my hands first. I also rarely get colds - because of this and the frequent hand washing.

I carry wet ones with me all the time. I never eat without using a wet one or going to wash my hands.

If anything falls on the table, it's trash.

I rinse all can lids before opening.

Well, I could go on and on and on and on and on. But I'll stop here as this isn't even MY blog!!!

Date: 2005-09-30 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
I also have the shopping cart phobia, and I carry wet wipes with me as well. And those air dryers.. I haven't used one in years and years. Ewww.

Date: 2005-09-29 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] courtesy.livejournal.com
I'm scared about admitting to not being very germ-phobic and risking you deciding to never visit me because of my hygiene levels :)

Oh well, here goes....

I'm NOT very germ phobic. I love that you are :) I love that you have OCD ;) I am very chicken germ conscious and if things fall on the ground, they're toast, but if they fell on the table, it's still fair game I reckon... *blush* and I never ever ever would think about not resting a spoon on packaging! Maybe I can learn a few things from you ;) Likewise the lemon issue had never dawned on me. But then I guess I also have one leg in the 'dooce build up immunity' camp ;)

But I'm clean! Honest!! And I wash stuff and keep my benches and tables clean!!

Date: 2005-09-30 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
Ewwwww! No, actually, I don't mind so much about other people, except maybe the lemon thing makes me cringe, but I have an odd relation to produce.. ;) Only you and M would love it that I have OCD tendencies. Hmmm. Okay, I'll make you a deal. I'll come worry about your lemons and toilet seats, and you come keep my tables and counters clean.. ;)

Date: 2005-09-29 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hail-atlantis.livejournal.com
which is probably offensive to people who actually are obsessive-compulsive.

Nah, it's not. ;)

Date: 2005-09-30 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
Oh, good. :)

Date: 2005-09-29 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewlis.livejournal.com
I know all about your OCD with germs, of course, and I have many of my own, some of which I learned from you (thanks, btw, for increasing my awareness of such things *bop*!) We did an experiment in my Microbiology class once, testing the germs on public toilet seats vs those on public drinking fountains. There were a lot more germs (and worse germs, at that) on the drinking fountain (the part where the water comes out...I did the swabbing myself on this experiment) than there were on the seat of a toilet. So, if the toilet seat covers are available, I'll use them, but I don't go to extensive measures to carry a packet of them with me (which I think you should, actually, knowing how you are about such things) or to cover the seat with TP. I have occasionally thought of the touching the roll factor, but reasoned that one out to myself, because I don't use the same hand to tear off the TP that I use to wipe (and I realize there is some germ potential there, but I refuse to think about those LOL).

I'm pickiest about my kitchen and home bathroom germs. I want my toothbrushes protected in those little cap things (even though I've heard/read that those harbor more germs, so I boil mine in bleach water once a month or more often if we get sick). When cleaning, I mop from the cleanest area to the dirtiest (aka, kitchen first, bathroom last, area around toilet very last) so as not to spread germs from one area to another. I keep a spray bottle of 10% bleach solution handy for killing mold in the bathroom and one in the kitchen for killing bacteria (that comes from my days as a Vet Tech).

When handling raw meat, I take it from the package to the plastic-type cutting board (not the wooden one! It harbors germs!) and cut it, then immediately put that knife in the sink to be washed in hot soapy bleachy water, and I transfer the meat to the cooking device, and then immediately wash the cutting board and knife/utensils that touched the meat, and my hands in the process. I refuse to cook meat that has been refrigerated for more than 3 days, and I won't thaw, then refreeze anything. I won't eat anything left out for more than 30 minutes to an hour (depending on what it is) because bacteria grow to problematic levels in roughly 2 hours (less on potato salad, which I refuse to eat at picnics or on a salad bar just for that reason unless I see it come from the refrigerator to the serving area and know it's fresh).

I refuse to use (or let anyone else if I catch them) any utensil that has been used to cut less than fully cooked meat on any other food item (uncooked or otherwise). That's just dangerous.

I also noticed someone mentioned (too lazy to look back and see who) about babies chewing on shopping carts. I have an issue with shopping carts, myself, just because my friend Kristin pointed that out to me once. She has this nifty thing (and I've seen others with them) that is a huge cloth shopping cart seat cover for kids, and they can't get to the handles, and at least they're chewing on their own blanket type thing with their own germs with those. That is at the top of my must-have list for when I have kids. You can't stop them from chewing, that's natural, but you can at least give them better things to chew on!

Drinking after people...well, I have a huge family, and we've done that all our lives, but I do notice that when I drink after the kids when we go home, I get sick every time, so I try like crazy not to let them drink after me. Try explaining that to a whiny 3-year-old when they just want a drink of *your* Pepsi. Ugh. I finally realized that all I have to do is use a cup that is kid friendly, and when they want a drink I hand it over and go get a new one for myself. Or, tell them it's beer/wine/alcohol and that it's not for kids. That works, too. Then you just have to explain to the adults that, no, you're really not an alcoholic, you simply don't want to spend next week fighting off whatever germ the kids are carrying this week.

Ok that's way too long already, but I could go on forever about germs. :D

Date: 2005-09-29 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewlis.livejournal.com
Just so you know, I had to cut out a paragraph from this reply because LJ said I had exceeded the limit for a reply (my count: 4388, limit: 4300). LOL!! Never done that before!! The para. I removed was just a comment about how I do the washing your hands/paper towel thing that you do ever since you explained it to me, and I think of you every time I use a public restroom because of that!

Date: 2005-09-30 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
Ha! You just wanted to break the record for longest comment ever posted in my journal! (You succeeded!)

I'm not sure how I feel about you thinking about me every time you use a public restroom. *laugh*

Date: 2005-09-30 01:47 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
LOL! I apparently not only broke your record for the longest reply, I broke mine as well!

Date: 2005-09-30 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewlis.livejournal.com
LOL! I apparently not only broke your record for the longest reply, I broke mine as well!

Date: 2005-09-30 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
I've seen those shopping cart covers, too, and will probably require one myself. I actually almost bought one for Carrie but she didn't have it on her wishlist and I didn't want to buy it in case she wouldn't like it. I hate shopping carts, too, and I have to restrain myself from stopping other people's kids from chewing on them. Ewww.

Also, yes. Nasty chicken hands and utensils are dangerous!

I could say more but I think perhaps we have had this conversation before. *grin*

Date: 2005-09-30 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewlis.livejournal.com
*giggle* Yes, many times. And...is it just me being unobservant, or have you recently changed what the link says to leave comments to pennies? I know I had it that for a while, probably stole the idea from you at the time (*grin*) but I swear that wasn't what it was a few days ago. *boggle*

Date: 2005-10-01 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] same-sky.livejournal.com
Yeah, I changed it when I changed the layout last week. I've seen it in several places, but I never had a custom link there until just now. I claim no originality there. ;)

Date: 2005-10-01 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewlis.livejournal.com
Mine said pennies until LJ changed the way they do formatting, and now either I'm no longer eligbile to change that feature due to a free account, or I haven't figured it out yet (not that I've looked that deep into it).

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